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Yep, Obama is quoted as saying so. He even ridicules God and the Bible before an audience. Listen for yourself; here's the [link]

We got what america voted for.
Will the beheading of Christians be allowed here as well?

"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." Rev 20:4

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:iconsanduuur:
the usa is not only for christians... not everybody believes in your god and saints...please respect that...
:iconatomsmash:
If that's true then why don't america respect Israel?
Why is our president demanding they cease building and settling in their OWN land?

You think God will respect us for telling the nation of Israel what to do with their own land?
God promised the children of Israel He will bless those nations who bless them and likewise curse those who curse them.
God has no respect of persons -and for good reason. Think about it.

--
"Study the Constitution."
"Let it be preached from the pulpit, proclaimed in legislatures, and enforced in the courts of justice."
:iconsanduuur:
sorry brother, i do not believe in god...

what you are saying would be gods will...
if god knows the future, the future must already be determined, we have no control over our future actions, if we have no control over our future actions, we cant be judged based on them... think about that... if your god actually exists he wanted the world to this way...
:iconatomsmash:
God is all wisdom knowing and He already revealed to us what the future holds through His word, His very Son and the prophets.
And the prophecies are all just about come to pass. Those were His promises which He put above even His own name.
What hope is there for anyone to not put their faith and trust in God?
I know I can't save myself, but if God made a way through His own Son who He raised from the dead, should I not listen?

Ask yourself, Who died for your sins and of the whole world?

The only thing that will prevent us then from being saved is our unbelief and rejection of His promise.

--
"Study the Constitution."
"Let it be preached from the pulpit, proclaimed in legislatures, and enforced in the courts of justice."
:iconsanduuur:
thats a very subjective statement... am i living a sinful life because i dont believe in god? i dont steal, do not kill, i dont lie, i just do not believe in what these old scriptures, the bible, tell is the thruth, just because they say they are right...

did it ever cross your mind that all of this isnt true? what if it IS all just a story?
:iconatomsmash:
It can't be a story. The world is already starting to pass away before us. The signs are everywhere just as Jesus said it would.
Should we take him at his word after the fact when it's too late to repent? Or in faith before the event and be secured in his love and mercy?

There's nothing to lose except my own sin in exchange for his righteousness. Is that too much to ask? He already overcame the world and has prepaired a place for us and promised to return that where he is, we may be also.
Do our faith in him alone make us worthy of his promise? Without faith it's impossible to please Him.
I chose to remain in his promise; I already know what will happen to satan and his followers, fair enough warning I would think.

--
"Study the Constitution."
"Let it be preached from the pulpit, proclaimed in legislatures, and enforced in the courts of justice."
:iconsanduuur:
that didnt answer my question in any way, most of the things you said in this conversation...
:iconhighonkrackovitz:
Respect Israel? Honestly? America funds Israel's military! Suggesting (with no backbone, and no intention to see it through) that Israel stop building illegal settlements in land that belongs to the Palestinians is hardly something for a proto-Zionist rightwinger like yourself to complain about.
What's worthy of complaining about, on the other hand, is the fact that Israel is a violent racist colonialist State which is massively disgraceful to conscientious Jews (myself and my family included) everywhere.
If you Christians are so sweet on Israel, why don't you take it and put a cross on its flag so that every time it commits one of its routine barbaric acts of mass violence, you can be the ones to eat the societal pressure, blame, and discrimination for it! Instead of supporting it mindlessly and having the comfort of knowing that when its violence comes back to haunt it, you're safe because it'll be the Jews of the world who'll bite that bullet.
My great aunt and uncle moved to Israel after the Holocaust and were treated like second class citizens because they spoke Yiddish instead of Hebrew. The State of Israel exists to preserve Western imperialist ambitions, not to be any sort of respectable advocate for the Jewish people. On the contrary, it only exacerbates anti-Semitism and deflects attention from the real anti-Semites in order to use the term as a political bludgeon against legitimate critics of the State's barbaric foreign policy.
It is disgraceful.
:iconatomsmash:
Your point is taken, but obviously this was sparked by my first reply to the other person's comment.

My mistake for making too general a statement.
My point is that Obama is on record stating that america is no longer a Christian nation, and I've a problem with that as you can tell from my deviation comment.

As a believer, I know that God of the bible is also God of the torah, for both agree there is only one true God and that He's a semitic God, the God of Israel the same. He promised the land to them through Abraham and to make a nation out of; and anyone who bless them will be blessed and any who curse them will be cursed. He said it.
God does not involve Himself with the world's political affairs and will nonetheless keep His promise -and will also deal not according to how the nations treat each other, but how they react.
Those who live by the sword must perish likewise.
God will reprove AND defend His people. Always has and still does. And God will ALSO deal with the rest of the nations according to the measure of how they dealt with His own, meaning Israel. Should anyone try to wipe Israel off the map, God will judge an eye for an eye.
It don't matter what the world make of Israel, -in the end, the nations who gather themselves against God's chosen people will answer to Him.

That's basically how I see it. I'm sorry about how Israel treated your grand aunt and uncle but every nation do have their faults and much to live up to God's standards, but as I mentioned earlier, we as individuals ought not to worry about how others treat us, but realize more how God expects us to react.
God chose Israel to set that example for the rest of the world. But that don't give the world the right to hate them and take their land for missing the mark as the world already has. God will reprove His own just as he will the rest of the nations because nobody is above Him.
Therefore I'm not interested in the political game about who has the right to the Holy land. Nations will keep playing politics over it with no regard to what God had already promised.
He will smite the nations if they try to smite Israel. Those are His words -not mine! I'm only agreeing with Him.

--
"Study the Constitution."
"Let it be preached from the pulpit, proclaimed in legislatures, and enforced in the courts of justice."
:iconhighonkrackovitz:
Getting back to the original point...
The land of Israel was, in the scriptures, promised to the Jews only after the Jewish messiah comes. It is not to be claimed beforehand.
As I see it, there is the theological religion of the scriptures on one hand and the political religion of nationalism on the other. While the latter uses the language of the former, it is ultimately only to push a political agenda. Claiming that God - the God of Abraham - holds any modern nation-state (nation-states being political entities) above any other is completely unfounded, dangerous, and - whether intentionally or not - disingenuous.
Why do you believe God would wish for the descendants of Abraham's son Isaac to slaughter and banish and be at constant war with the descendants of Abraham's son Ishmael? I don't really understand why you feel a kinship with the Jews but see the Muslims as enemies. Are we not all - Jews, Christians, and Muslims - descended of Abraham?
The State of Israel is not a theological fulfillment but a political construct which enforces its supremacy through the barrel of a gun, and shamefully employs theological justifications which are intentionally misrepresented and taken completely out of context to convince the masses that a modern political entity can somehow inherently be on the side of divine righteousness. It cannot.
The violent extremists who carried out the attacks on 9/11 were motivated by political interests and convictions, which they fraudulently disguised as religious motivation. The government of the State of Israel operates in similar fashion, only we are led to believe that the presence of wealth and military equipment/technology makes the latter's actions somehow justifiable. It does not.
If the God of Abraham promised the land of Israel to the Jews when our messiah comes, than the land will be ours by His will alone. Therefore, any war and bloodshed perpetrated in the name of "securing the land of Israel" in the here and now is not only in vain, but could quite conceivably be understood as heresy, as it disobeys or misconstrues God's covenant with the Israelites. The land does not belong to the Jews now, it will belong to us after the coming of our messiah. Therefore, it is our duty to see that no more blood is shed in the name of securing something that is already secured by God Himself. That, rather, all the children of Abraham can live together and coexist with mutual respect and religious tolerance in the present, and that the venomous politics of nation-states not be allowed to further pervert the religions or the peoples they deceitfully claim to represent. The State of Israel has given rise, in its borders, to a 'Jewish' culture of aggression, belligerence, and impassiveness which is in complete dissension with the Jewish tradition of modesty, perceptiveness, and studiousness. The traditional culture - the way of Jacob - I fear is dying out as a result.
Religion and nationalism are a dangerous cocktail, my friend. And mixing the two is bound only to lead us astray.

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